AQAL (Wilber's Integral Model) and Homeopathy: A call for descriptive modelling

JED, thanks very much for your comments! Wow... must say, I was a bit blown away by that (particulary the "it" or "IT")... didn't know gravity 'actually' has those kind of formal characteristics... and will take it in and see what else comes up. I'm no physicist, and if you are (and even if you are not) I really appreciate your contribution to help me make sense of what comes up intuitively in my homeopathic pondering. Perhaps you can shed light on a follow-up thought I had when I wondered how something as seemingly...hmmm... large...as gravity can effect biophysical transactions... in the transaction of a teeny little substance in an individual body...to account for the effect of homeopathy. Again, a very simple spontaneous line came up for me when I 'asked the voices within' so to speak": "Nothing coheres without it, coherence rests on it". Looking at your message, that makes perfect sense, and one wouldn't need to be very intuitive to come up with that... but... on the the small scale of transaction describing substance and soma...planets and galaxies O.K., but down here in human bodies??? ...here again, I'm not sure what this could mean, so grabbing at straws (not in Kansas now, to be sure!), I can only recall Del Guidice's, Srinavasan, and Fritz Popp's work on how coherence principles could account for at least some explanatory hypothesis for homeopathic substance and effect. Any ideas on how gravity could fit in at that level?

Hey, fun line of speculation! A) I'm not versed in Wilber's work, yet, it seems a big thing to tackle, but relevent. B)I've no formal training in physics, just a passion to understand my neighborhood.
That said, here goes- Gravity is a field phenomenon, and a form of energy- it affects things large and small. Nassim Haramein's theory that all atomic nuclei are mini-black-holes brings it down to the quantum level.
One way to frame manifestation is as a dynamic between information and energy- that's all there is. A hydrogen atom differs from a helium atom only in mass, equivalent to energy, and form, i.e., information.
Drawing from laser holography, an image is created by the interaction of two beams, the illumination beam and the reference beam. Their interaction creates a pattern of waves, an interference pattern. This pattern of interacting waves is influenced by the target object, recorded, and you have a hologram.
Lets think of the gravitational field as the reference beam. It attracts. It has a pattern derived from local topology, associated with mass. It's local, sets the terrain. It's Yin. Let's make the illumination beam an electro-magnetic field or fields, radiative, expansive, assocated with time, the flux of particularity. Yang.

A homeopathic preparation has been diluted to a state where virtually no mass of the active component remains, just an informational resonance of that component. Quoting the Tao Te Ching: "that which has no substance enters where there is no space".
My notion is this resonant signal modifies the interaction of gravitational and electro-magnetic fields to alter the holographic pattern called an organism, hopefully generating a therapeutic response.
How's that? JED

Thanks, JED, that's much along the lines of the way I think about some of this as well. I like the quote by Tao Te Ching! The trick, I think, will be how to model the homeopathic effects in a way that does not rely on or get dismissed via 'magically syncretic' correspondent holography... . The clinical observations are undeniable. Seems like we have so many of the pieces right in front of us... energies, 'non'-energetic ground, resonance, coherence, the role of boundaries/identities (especially pertaining to the scope of perception/attention, relational capacities), development and emergence, integration... but how to get everyone across all domain areas to the same table to attempt to cross think areas (in an integral effort, not just combining bits) and model this in a way that doesn't fall into the usual dead-ends??? Hmmm. Hence the hope I see in Wilber's Integral AQAL model in furthering this work along. I've shared some of my thoughts with a couple of the good folks over at the Integral Institute (Ken Wilber's think tank). Will let you know if any breakthroughs or insights result. Thanks for the enjoyable dialogue! CKJ

Bringing diverse agents to the table, in the dominant paradigm, often entails first bringing the topic to the lab bench: empirical data. Has anyone tried taking a homeopathic preparation for nuclear magnetic resonance imaging? I suspect the subtle qualities imparted to these preparations may be carried in electromagnetic information, possibly electron spin resonance of the aqueous medium.
Links between conscious intent and quantum effects are multiplying. I'll bet the key to this phenomenon is down there in the quantum "basement", in a tripartite entanglement between aqueous medium, specific solute, and intention of the preparer.
Ed Mitchell has researched a relevent area- "phase-conjugate adaptive resonance", a key phenomena in NMR imaging technology. This might be a fertile avenue for hypotheses, and testing. JED

That is true, indeed, and MRI has (and is) already been applied to the task. Fascinating details on the specifics can be found in sources such as the book: The Emerging Science of Homeopathy 2 Ed: Complexity, Biodynamics, and Nanopharmacology by Paolo Bellavite, Andrea Signorini, and Peter Fisher (2002). However... this is NOT going to cut the mustard completely. We know that many if not most of the really great scientists integrate inner and outer ways of knowing (many having been members of mystical Orders, secret societies, alchemists, etc.). What seems needed is an empirical "HOMEOPATHIC VISION QUEST". We do need to bridge to the dominant research paradigms of UR quadrant monological exteriors, but even more, and one of the reasons for posting this Share, is we need to develop an empirical "inner" methodology to create the full picture? What does this mean? Well... it could mean a carefully guided course of "Ayahuasca" or similar "plant teachers", wherein one can 'empirically travel' the question in the "inner" UL domain. THAT is a project I really want to see get going! Will anyone volunteer to take up this Homeopathic Vision Quest? Will it be nice dinner time conversation... or will we be like the true Masters of discovery? What say you? CKJ