Jeffery DeCelles's Post

I'm tickled you found these tools worthy of testing, Nahu. An adept like yourself can testify with authority, and may prompt others to check them out.
I concur on their utility in revealing unexamined sub-routines running in the background. On days when I can't seem to "spin the ball" in Psi Trainer, I can bet my RAM is tied up in some subconscious rat-wheel activity. On occasion, introspection has opened insights, and facilitated de-bugging.
I still have a lot on junk on my disc, but can sometimes glimpse the Light.

JED

Yeah, that's definitely where I'm coming from, i.e., defragging the system. And this kind of psi work requires introspection into hidden patterns, because you can readily follow the contours of your hits and misses as they impinge on a subliminal level. If not just for the Psi development potential, they're use as a consciousness, balance and psychological self-analysis tool is priceless.

Any forward motion toward our goals involves past issues, "He who conguers himself is the mightiest warrior." Confucius:
http://www.openexchange.org/features/nahu.html

The the center of the point~
Nahu

Less, is often more.

I wonder, though, who would be helped if we curtailed our discussion.

This site is for communication, free exchange of ideas, to all.

We write, if only for the joy of writing, and need no permission.

I might take your comments more seriously, "Wonder", if you did not hide behind an anonymous screen name.

Jeffery DeCelles

Wonder: I am sorry about hiding behind a screen name. I live in a small, mainly Baptist town. While I don't pretend to be Baptist while I live here , I cannot speak my mind unless I have a screen name. Teachers - and that's what I am - are not allowed freedom of speech. I have sacrificed two jobs during my lifetime in order to be in integrity and/or to protect children. Right now, I can't afford to sacrifice my job. My name is rare, and it is not even listed on the website that tells a person how many people have his/her name.

You are right. I suppose I just had a knee-jerk reaction to your intellectual approach to what might be seen as a spiritual matter.

Have fun.
Barbara

I understand a bit better, Lady Wonder, though I have not "walked in your moccasins" and can only guess the challenges you have met.
What I find so exciting about IONS/SIA is this forum, dedicated in large part to joining intellectual and spiritual pursuits. I have an intellectual approach to spiritual matters, because I believe they are two sides of one coin, so to speak. Any separation is an artifact of language, and the styles of thought shaped by habits of language.
It seems to me that much of the trouble, social, ecological, psycho-spiritual, we have these days can be traced back to habits of separating things. Separating people from God/Goddess, from nature, from each other as tribe/nation/religion. Separating areas of human inquiry and passion: intellect from spirit, science from religion, politics from ethics. This separation game has deep roots, the old "divide and conquer scheme", still working after five millenia.
I read in your post of the frustration you experience in dealing with Federal folly in the classroom, and I want to ask you-is this "No Child..." business more of the separation craziness, this time separating teachers from teaching by walls of paperwork?
What Nahu and I discuss here, sometimes to dizzying height of abstraction, is Unification, by many means and names. "Holoverse", "the Force", "the OmniMind" all tools for describing an experience we all CAN have, some have had, and most hopefully will before too long.
No doubt, Lady Wonder, you can shed some light on this endeavor, with practical work in the trenches to back it up.
Feel free. Here, you can, under nom de plume, as needed.

Right on JED, tell it like it is! :) I'm at a loss of what "outspeaking" is, but I have a hunch it means something like don't have fun--and that ain't something that is going to happen soon. Just jump right in PSI, we are all brothers and sista's here, and shucks, we all speak PSI--can you read me?
Nahu

Wonder: Watch your language!(I don't mean ain't).

Wonder: It's Wonder as in "sense of". I'm always asking children what they wonder. I wonder what Nahu's name really is...maybe George?

Don't fret none about my name--it's unimportant, remember names are only meaningful from a subjective level.

I know you didn't pick up anything "negative" (which you are implying) from me except what you were sending--which I'm sure was the very best--right on? I was just having fun with with your screen name PSI.

Peace/Love

Nahu

The point of this technology is training of intent, Master Nahu. I, being somewhat deluded, seem to require a formal context in which to re-discover my Jedi nature.
Your suggestion that no truly random events occur strikes me as valid. What I intend with my practice using Psi Trainer, etc. is exercise of innate capacities, the better to realize my capacities to morph the local terrain a little, in service to Higher Purpose.
An element in holographic theory not identified in the Holt quote above is, as I understand it, that fractional sub-sets of a holographic pattern do contain the whole pattern, but at reduced resolution. A useful analogy is music compression techniques such as "mp3", which preserve the basic pattern of a music file, but with less total information, by sacrificing fidelity.
Thus the Holt quote seems in error when it states "that an entire replica...is completely represented inside the smallest aspect of itself". A partial representation, sure, still faithful to the overall pattern, but lacking some detail.
What this reply boils down to, Nahu, is my stubborn insistence on SOME boundaries, and some degree of filtration between bounded systems. My body has an immune system, because the me/not me polarity matters, crucially, in Nature's agenda.
In the realm of ideas, similar processes apply. I must exercise discernment, keep my B.S. detector updated, because parasitic meme-plexes are active in my environment. Culture is a swarm of memes, and some, like Salvationist religions, political ideologies, and marketing pitches, are actually or potentially pathological.
I do believe that networking is the superior strategy in the Game of Life, but find suggestions that combat, competition, and parasitism are irrelevant, naive. I keep my anti-virus software updated, my spam filters on, and Occam's Razor in my vest pocket.

My hunch is, that a world of pure cooperation would soon homogenize to a uniform porridge of habitual sameness. This holds little appeal for a rascal like myself.

Game On.

JED

As always, you are such a creative writer! I certainly enjoy following contours of your mind space as it trickles down into relevancy. But for details...

Reduced resolution is certainly a problem technically as information is filtered through identity matrices, due to the subject-object ego-"I" and its tendency for preferences in terms of perception.

However, that doesn't occur as the ego-"I", or conjugate wave is expanded, broadened from time-space to include wholistic non-spatial dimensionality, or what I tend to reduce to space/time. In fact, dimensional visions such as alternate realities are much more readily accessible and one enjoys greater freedom of mmovement at these optimum frequencies.

You mentioned the following:

"My hunch is, that a world of pure cooperation would soon homogenize to a uniform porridge of habitual sameness. This holds little appeal for a rascal like myself."

I'm just like you Jedi, I love good eating and of course, as we know what is "good" is for the most part subjective, at a sensory level, but that's not where I'm coming from or going to. Networking allows each of us to share space not dominate it--the key here is "live long and prosper," that is, if you are a true Jedi.:)

May your light shine strong and clear!
Nahu

At an intent level there is a serious problem with achieving energy flow in terms of channelling, if one does not know several basic secrets about the how it actually works. These secrets I discovered by trial and error over many years--so I know what works in terms of meditation techniques and what doesn't. I noticed it was completely overlooked in "The Secret". In fact, I haven't seen it anywhere.

I know what those techniques are, and am arranging a short workshop based on this. Also, I have a psi training and development card deck and small booklet that produces amazing accuracy and overall ability. Hopefully, these will be available in the near future.

From the inner source~Nahu